Curse

cookiehoarder · Sep 21, 2005, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by calithratheheala

I think the new IWAY build is pure crap and unblances the game. I was just wondering if anybody knows if GW or Anet has any plans to nerf IWAY avenge you and when it will happen.

IWAY does not need to be nerfed. It sucks, therefore it shouldn't be nerfed. I'd actually love for them NOT TO nerf them, I mean it's free fame for me

Ollj · Sep 21, 2005, 12:04 PM // 12:04

iway is the most ridiculous flawour of the month.

yes it completely imballances the game by being countable soo easily.

Calnaion Blackhawk · Sep 21, 2005, 12:43 PM // 12:43

its not so much the build, well it is very shitty, and noob, but its that soo many people use it, 90% chance that your next match will be against iway

Alexandrite · Sep 21, 2005, 12:49 PM // 12:49

what in the heck is IWAY?

mamluk · Sep 21, 2005, 01:00 PM // 13:00

IWAY is great fun to run and play against. Think about it- we have a build that runs counter to many of the accepted tenets of team building. No monks! No problem! Plus you get to run around with a big ax raging face.

IWAY is not designed to hold the halls, although teams have done it with IWAY a few times, it is to kill quickly in order to farm faction and fame and have a fun time doing it. The fact that many of you are complaining about it shows how effective it is at that

It's a creative idea based on a skill that would be only marginally useful in most builds.

Stop complaining and start thinking about ways to fight it.

Ollj · Sep 21, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

IWAY = Warriors with low level pets and "I Will Avenge you". they let the pet die to get +33% more attack speed and 3 health regeneration for 10 seconds for each dead party member.

its just palanoobs following other palanoobs, once again.

The build sucks so much you can counter it with ANYTHING, even with skills inferior to I will avenge you. You can even counter them with a build full of mesmers, normally getting killed by warriors or rangers within seconds.
this is how BAD and STUPID this build realyl is!

actually its a mirror for most of the Guild Wars Comunity!

The build is propably based on healing monks that do not have aegis or guardian or Amity and based on too much AoE damage.

Kamatsu · Sep 21, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

IWAY = I Will Avenge You

Warrior skill which gives you increased atatck speed as well as health regeneration for every party member and/or ally which is dead. This includes pets, so a lot of R/W & W/R are sending in their pets.. pets die.. they then IWAY and get increased attack speed and health regen for a short burst...

Here's the skill description:

I Will Avenge You! - Shout
For each dead ally nearby, you gain 10 seconds of increased attack speed and health regeneration of +3-6.
Cost: 5 energy
Cast time: 0 seconds (it's a shout.. duh)
Recast Time: 45 seconds

So basically in say a 4x4 with 4 IWAY attackers.. thats 40 seconds of +25% (or is it +33%? I don't know) and +3-6 health regeneration per ally .. so in this 4x4 thats +12 regen (capped at +10 effective regen), reusable every 45 seconds.

Maagus - typical response from an "elitist" bunch who can't admit they got beat - just call the people who beat them "noobs" and generally insult and put them down. Don't worry about em.. typical ego-maniacs at work... I'd bet they would call just about anyone "noobs" if they got beat by a guild/group that wasn't well-known and/or well-respected. and yes.. lotta noobs are using it as it's the FOTM build.. *shrugs*

Mandy Memory · Sep 21, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

IWAY was good when it came out...because it was new and surprising, now its old and no one even cares....because really....soothing images

78zrider · Sep 21, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

what really sucks is my guild came up with it and now we dont even use it...

since EVERYONE uses it now Lol

Zeru · Sep 21, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Well most teams really don't need to be afraid of general IWAY. Just bring a few anti-warrior stuff and ball up and gg. No matter what they run scrubs will still execute it poorly.

Our IWAY build steamrolls these teams who think they can just bring a couple anti-warrior stuff like 1 copy of soothing or ward v melee and ball up because they get locked at 0 energy in about 10 seconds. It still loses to a strong counter of heavy degen and many copies of anti-warrior hexes. Then again we have yet to see an IWAY team actually run it well, so we have no problem smashing those scrub IWAY stuff with a generic build with really no counters just cause it's so bad.

IWAY is hardly overpowered; just when you're facing a good IWAY build and a team that has high player skill/teamwork, you have to have some of that player skill and teamwork along with enough of the appropriate counters. Both using it and playing against it rely on heavy micromanagement, not getting too clumped but not spreading out too much either.

salja Wachi · Sep 21, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

IWAY is free Faction for any half-decent team. Stop crying.

LOL well said.

it is so easy to beat iway.

all you ahve to do is stay together lol. IWAY is only good if the get you seperated so their warriors can do damage. just stay in a group and smite them down.

so easy it is like a walk in the park.

IWAY was a decent build the first couple of days, people won a lot of matches with it, however to win HoH with it is nearly impossible due to their inability to heal the hero.

Raz Silverwing · Sep 21, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

I can beat any IWAY warrior easy everyone goes for the pets first all you have to do is kill the warrior and ignore the pet.

Sciros Darkblade · Sep 21, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Good players can take IWAY about as far as it will go, and they are pretty hard to deal with, as ANY good players are. But those players would be hard to deal with regardless of their build, since they simply PLAY WELL ^^

IWAY won't be nerfed obviously, just like Ward vs Foes won't be even though it's a bother in Arena for my poor kd/as war ;_; since they're not overpowered skills at all. They're bothersome if well used, but that's true of any skill

Rey Lentless · Sep 21, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by 78zrider

what really sucks is my guild came up with it and now we dont even use it...

since EVERYONE uses it now Lol

Which guild is that?

I look at it as 'noobish' for the following reason:

It's not a build that is designed to win/hold the hall. So you're basically saying.. I wasn't going to get there anyway, so I'm going to run this build that's easy to run that might let me beat teams with a 'gimmick' that they may have not planned for.

So it's more of a fame farming (and not particularly good at it either) build that you're running because you figure you can't win the hall anyway. That sounds noobish to me.

When it first came out, it was blowing people away and you could get to the hall with it, and win.. but those days are over really. You can still get there with a well setup iway team with good players, but there are still other builds far superior for holding it. So if you're a decent player with aspirations of winning/holding the hall.. it's really not a build you want to use.

Pandora's box · Sep 21, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

It should be nerfed, no doubt, just as the mesmer build should be nerfed as well!

But wait... Than mabye the amazone's become too strong, I think bows should fire only halve the distance they do now

Err, I forgot about those nasty elementalists. Its rediculous and unatural to play with fire and ice like that. Not to mention poison. Yes, Ele's and necro's need nerfing too!
Than we are back to the good old days of teams with healing monks!

You say? Healing too strong? Agreed! Heal only 5 lifepoints max in 10 seconds!
Aahhh by than its expansion time... No doubt those 2 new classes will be much too strong. Better start nerfing them right now!

Maybe its a good idea to slow down walking speed as well, so we can *finally* spend time on thinking out a good strategy whithout being rushed at once... No, better: Make it turn based! Yes, thats the solution! Turnbased fighting! Just cast the spells like they are playing cards, one after another, sounds like a great concept!

Navaros · Sep 21, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

I look at it as 'noobish' for the following reason:

It's not a build that is designed to win/hold the hall. So you're basically saying.. I wasn't going to get there anyway, so I'm going to run this build that's easy to run that might let me beat teams with a 'gimmick' that they may have not planned for.

what's wrong with that? right now there is no point whatsoever to holding the Hall

might as well farm fame, because that has much more point to it than trying to hold the Hall does

see this thread for further info about why holding the Hall is pointless

and if you are not in a r6+ or Guild group anyhow, then chances of holding the Hall are next to none regardless of what build you use

at least IWAY kills newbies with a PUG whereas those other builds may not.

Schorny · Sep 21, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

IWAY is fun and even though its an easy build, it is not only for noobs.

People use the word noobs far too often.

If your team is good, you can hold the hall with an IWAY team. No problem here.

Like every Fotm, it starts to get boring. Most people don't bring counters. A heal ball won't work if that is your only counter.

and please stop saying noob to anything you don't like or bothers you.

Rey Lentless · Sep 21, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Eh, I don't care if you didn't get good drops, that doesn't mean I'm going to run an IWAY with bad players who decided that's their best chance to get any fame at all.

You're still getting better fame holding the hall, than running an iway... that should be a no brainer.

cookiehoarder · Sep 21, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

How about stop complaining, ball up, interupt N/E or E/X and get free fame/faction?

Theus · Sep 21, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

N/Me using Feast of Corruption+Arcane Echo and Shadow of Fear/Suffering + A Elementalist of the good ol AoE = A bunch of Dead Wars.Also..make sure to send your wars(If you have em) after the N/Mo or Mo/N's.

It does one hell of a job destroying IWAY.
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But come on..these are warriors..from my layin of a W/Mo for over 350 hours I have seen so many skills complete screw us over.